Week 1 ~ Notes for Nov 7th

Mike Lewis

Ecclesiastes: Week 1 - An Introduction

"I applied my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this is but a chasing after wind".

This week we will look at some background issues and general areas before launching into more detailed discussions in the weeks to come.

In preparation please read the "Prose" copy of Qohelet (pages 1-8) and one other translation as supplied. Those in a household of 2 or more might like to try reading the book aloud to each other.

Please also read the preface (pages 11-12) and the first chapter (pages 17-32) of "Living Life Backwards" by David Gibson.

You might find it helpful to listen to Qohelet. There are numerous youtubes available. Here are a few to try:

... and for different experience, try listening to a reading in Hebrew for a few moments. Close your eyes as you listen and just listen while the rhythm of the poetry flows over you:

Questions arising:

  • What are your first general impressions having read or listened to the book?
  • In what ways is Ecclesiastes different from all other Scripture?
  • Do you think Ecclesiastes is "inspired"? Why / why not?
  • Ecclesiastes nearly didn't make it into the canon. Was the right decision taken? Why / Why not?
  • In just a couple of sentences, what was the message of Qohelet to his hearers and readers?
  • From an initial reading, what has God "said" to you?

Resources:

PowerPoint slides from the class


Week 2 ~ Notes for Nov 14th

Mike Lewis

Background

Please scan quickly through a summary of Solomon's life in

  • 1 Kings 3:1-15; 4:20-21; 4:29-34; 8:54-62; 9:1-9; 11:1-13; 11:41-43
  • 1 Chron 23:1
  • 2 Chron 9:1-31
  • Neh 13:26.

Then, from your handout, read Ecclesiastes 1:1-11 in the prose pages and also in each of the 4 translations which follow, noting any significant differences.

Questions for discussion - as time permits

  1. Referring to Eccl 1:3 - What's YOUR answer to Qohelet's question?
  2. Eccl 1:4-7 refers to events of the human and natural world. Are these cycles boring? pointless? wearisome?
  3. Referring (I presume) to Eccl 1:8-9, Gibson writes "The Preacher's perspective is this: humans long to come across something in their lives that will break the constant repetitive cycle, something to say or see or hear that will be truly new and therefore significant - but there is nothing. No such thing exists." (Page 25.) Do you agree with him? Why / why not?
  4. What are the cycles in YOUR life? If you have experienced wearisome, boring, pointless times how did you cope with them? How would you cope with a life of constant change?
  5. Eccl 1:10. What is Qohelet writing. Can we / do we say the same? Read the middle paragraph on p.26 of Gibson. Many people are restless, curious, adventurous but others are not. Is being restless, curious, adventurous a sin or a gift of God? How does your answer inform your reading of 2 Tim 4:3?
  6. What do you think of Gibson's statement "Change and constancy are the two balancing weights on the seesaw of human experience, and God has given humanity the means to enjoy both of them by patterning the world with rhythm..." (p.30-31)?
  7. Eccl 1:11 refers to people or events (the Hebrew could mean either) of long ago. If written by Solomon in the 10th century BC who/what might he be referring to? If written in the 3rd century BC who/what might the writer be referring to?
  8. Are you bothered that in 500 years (if Jesus has not returned by then) you will not be remembered?

Resources:

PowerPoint slides from the class


Week 3 ~ Notes for Nov 21st

'Bursting the Bubble'

Steve Logan

Background

Read Eccl 1:12-2:26 and Gibson, Chapter 2, "Bursting the Bubble".

The Preacher sets out to test schemes for discovering some ultimate meaning and finds them all wanting. This is perhaps the most depressing section in perhaps the most depressing book in the Christian Bible. The Preacher speaks plainly, he is methodical. He sets out in unemotional language his experiments and reports on his findings. His conclusion...?

Bring your ideas to the discussion...

The two big themes for this week are the unlikely pairing of happiness and death. Gibson on page 38 quotes Blaise Pascal:

"All men seek happiness. This is without exception. Whatever different means they use, they all tend to this end. The cause of some going to war, and of others avoiding it, it the same desire in both - to be happy. This is the motive of every action of every man, even of those who hang themselves."
The Preacher doesn't say exactly that - but in all his schemes is he not looking for happiness?

From Gibson, page 37:

"The Preacher will argue that wisdom, pleasure, work and possessions are very often the bubbles we live in to insulate ourselves from reality. And his needle, the sharp point he uses to burst the bubbles, is death. It is the great reality facing all human beings as they go about their business on earth. Death is the one ultimate certainty that we erase from our minds and busy ourselves to avoid facing."

This week's topics are still the raw material of much of our cultural output. Ecclesiastes rings true to the modern mind. There isn't really any need to put the verses in some local context of time and place for they are universal. They speak to us across the millenia and we all know exactly what they mean.

Questions for discussion

  1. Do you agree with the above quotes on happiness and death?
  2. Is your life a pursuit of happiness? Consider this question to be about more than just hedonism. Do the good and noble things you do make you happy? Do you do those things because they make you happy? Does it matter?
  3. Do you think much about your own death? Have you made a Will? Have you planned your funeral? Do you expect to be remembered?
  4. The Preacher seems to claim that all human activity is pointless because, no matter what, you end up dead. Discuss!
  5. Gibson (and others) are highly critical of our modern relentless world, full of 'stuff' to distract us. Is this new, or has it always been like this?
  6. Some questions from Gibson:
    • What is your motivation for getting up each morning?
    • What do the lives of people you know reveal about what they think will make them happy?
    • How would you describe "pure joy" to a friend who knows nothing of this?
    • What strategies do you think people you know, including yourself, use to avoid facing the reality of death?
    • What do you make of the idea that death can give us the perspective we need to begin to enjoy life?
  7. This weeks section of Ecclesiastes does end on an 'up' note in 2:24-25. Try paraphrasing the Preacher's words. What is he saying?

Week 4 ~ Notes for Nov 28th

'Doing Time' #1

Andrew Gebbie

Background

Read Eccl 3: 1-22 and Gibson, Chapter 3, "Doing Time".

Previously the Preacher has outlined the futility of trying to achieve a total sense of fulfilment and accomplishment. Despite his advantages of wealth and opportunities, all his endeavours have left him with a sense of emptiness. Looming over everything is the absolute reality that the inevitability of death. and the frailty of life demands of him some reassessment of what constitutes real living.

Gibson asserts that much of our human living is an avoidance of the obvious. In the context of history our lives are limited, and we will die. We live in a bubble of pretence that this is not true. The bubble will inevitably burst, and Gibson argues that the sooner we get to grips with that, the richer our lives will be.

God features far more than we realise in Ecclesiastes. He is mentioned over 40 times in the book, as well as being alluded to in other ways.

What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind
Eccl 1:13

In Eccl 2:24,25 the Preacher concludes that he needs to accept that the toil of life is a gift from God and life can only have meaning and joy in that context.

To the person who pleases him, God will give wisdom, knowledge and happiness
Eccl 2:26

Our way, or God's way are the only two choices open to us.

In Eccl 3: 1-8, the Preacher pulls all his thoughts together with a wonderful poem which is one of the most loved passages of Scripture. So much so that Gibson specifically highlights the fact that even humanists use it in funeral services.

Jesus often followed a parable with some teaching that demonstrates the deeper meaning. The Preacher does the same in Eccl 3: 9-22 where he spells out God's involvement in all the seasons of our lives, and the unfathomable depth of his eternal plans. Gibson points out that there are 28 seasons in the poem laid out in two blocks of 7 pairs. The diagram below is a quick picture of the poem.

1 Born Die
2 Plant Uproot
3 Kill Heal
4 Tear down Build up
5 Weep Laugh
6 Mourn Dance
7 Scatter stones Gather them
     
8 Embrace Refrain from embrace
9 Search Give up
10 Keep Throw away
11 Tear Mend
12 To be silent To speak
13 Love Hate
14 War Peace

In many ways the Preacher's description of life is akin to a cork bobbing on the surface on a lake, being tossed around by the challenging and changing circumstances of life.

Question: Is there some significance to the fact that the central of each block of 7, focuses on the acts of examination and reconstruction?

In his explanation of the seasons of time, the Preacher spells out certain realities:

  • 3:10 God does place burdens on our lives, but he will make everything beautiful in HIS TIME.
  • 3:11 God has given mankind a sense of eternity, but he has deliberately kept the outcome to himself.
  • 3:14 Everything God does will endure forever!
  • 3:15 Everything that happens is known to God, he misses nothing!
  • 3:17 Everyone, good and wicked alike will be brought to Judgment .
"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him."
Hebrews 9:27-28

Questions for discussion

  1. Please send in any questions, in advance of the study, via the Virtual Vestry Telegram group, or send to questions@virtualvestry.com...
  2. ...or bring them to the Zoom class
  3. Teaser Q: why did I block some points in the above table in blue and green?

Week 5 ~ Notes for Dec 5th

'Doing Time' #2

Andrew Gebbie

Background

Read Eccl 3: 1-22 and Gibson, Chapter 3, "Doing Time".

Last week we witnessed a distinct shift in emphasis in the Preachers thinking. He clearly identifies the reality of escaping meaninglessness by focusing our hearts and minds on God. That is the equivalent of "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith."

That is not a single experience, but a continuous state of mind, heart, and soul.

In his time God will make all things beautiful. "All things work together for good to those who love God."" What God is preparing for us is permanent. It is not subject to the uncertainty of the seasons "under the sun". In the present we should be content and do good while we live. It is in fact the call to, LOVE GOD, AND LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS as ourselves.

I was asked to communicate the reason for my TEASER questions in blue and green.

BIRTH & DEATH + WAR & PEACE: Birth & Death embraces our life "under the sun" which is in current time. This life is so unpredictable, and out of our control because of the randomness of the Seasons of our lives. It is almost akin to WAR, but the end point for those who trust in God leads to PEACE.

WEEP & LAUGH + MOURN & DANCE: is of special significance to myself because of my experience in working with bereavement in my hospice work. When we are too keen to pretend that death is not a significant concern, we can so easily fail to acknowledge the struggle of those who have lost loved ones, and need TIME to grieve and recover from their loss. Gibson chose to call his book: Living Life DRAWKCAB to make the point that we can never life to the full, until we recognize our mortality and the fact that our life "under the sun" is but a fleeting moment of time in the context of eternity.

TO BE SILENT & TO SPEAK: is one of the most significant challenges of ALL our lives. How often do we inflict pain on ourselves and others, because we speak when it would be best not to? In discussion someone pointed out that Job's friends remained silent for days because they recognized the depth of his pain. I suggested that we should all pray for greater wisdom in this area of our lives. The words: "be still and know that I am God" is related to this area. Yet sometimes we need to speak when we would prefer to be silent. Truly an area where the leading of the Spirit would be a real blessing.

Today we will focus on the JUDGMENT.

  • Eccl 3: 16 states what we all experience.
  • Sound judgment is supplanted by wickedness.
  • Justice is denied by wickedness.
In Eccl 4, he asserts that too many are oppressed by the people who hold to power. Which was probably a statement of repentance on his own part.

Gibson in page 56 makes this statement:

One of the ways we learn to live by preparing to die is by realizing that death means judgment and that that is a good thing. It gives my present actions meaning and weight and it gives my experienced losses and injustices a voice in God's presence. What is past may be past, but what is past is not forgotten to God, and because he is in charge and lives forever, one day all will be well. Every, single thing that happens, will have its day in court.

This view of judgment brings obvious questions to mind in the context of finding forgiveness for sin.

As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Psalm 103:12
I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.
Jeremiah 31: 34
God will bring into judgment both the righteous and the wicked, for there will be a time for every activity, a time to judge every deed.
Ecclesiastes 3: 17

Questions for discussion

  1. Ponder the three passages, above, and any others you could think of and come prepared to explore the challenges that they bring to our understanding.
  2. Last week we also discussed the extent to which we have free will . Does God have control of our lives? To allow further discussion in this area I have provided some observations by Jonathan Sacks, which I believe are related to the issues being discussed in Ecclesiastes.

    Not in God's Name: Confronting Religious Violence
    by Jonathan Sacks
    Chapter 8: Role Reversal.

    By making the human person 'in his image' God has given us freedom: the freedom to do good, which also necessarily entails the freedom to do evil. In the early chapters of Genesis, we feel God's pain and disappointment as first Adam and Eve, then Cain, then the generation of the Flood use their freedom to bring chaos to God's universe of order. Yet there is never a hint that God might create Homo sapiens without freedom. The free God desires the free worship of free human beings.

    The idea that God might create a billion computers programmed to declare his praise is, in Biblical terms, absurd. Only a being with freedom is a true 'Other', and the freedom and dignity of otherness is central to the divine project.

    Few things have been denied more often, and more variously, than human freedom.

    Fate, the Greek concept of ananke, is in the hands of the gods or the stars: so thinkers have argued since the birth of time. Later, it was attributed to divine (Calvin) or physical (Spinoza) determinism, economic forces (Marx), the experiences of early childhood (Freud), or genetic endowment (the neo-Darwinians).

    The Hebrew Bible argues, contrarily, that if our acts are no more than the effects of causes over which we have no control, then we inhabit a tragically configured universe, and time is no more than a cycle of eternal recurrences .

    Against this the Bible predicates its faith – God's faith – in freedom. If we can change, then the future is not destined to be an action replay of the past. Repentance is the proof that we can change .


Week 6 ~ Notes for Dec 12th

'Living a Life Less Upwardly Mobile' #1

Steve Logan

Background

Read Eccl 4 and Gibson, Chapter 4.

I write these notes at the last minute, on the evening before the morning of our study. Why so late? Ironically, given the content of Ecclesiastes, it is because I have been so busy. And so has my wife and other members of my immediate family. We have just been busy, simple plain frantically busy.

Better is a handful of quietness than two hands full of toil and a striving after the wind.
..says the Preacher. And I do believe he is right.

We drove home this afternoon, after taking a document, the source of our busy-ness, to the Post Office to send it by registered post to ensure that it got to its destination on time. I remarked to my wife that sometimes I want everything to just stop. Give me just a little break - just a few hours where I don't have to think about the next item on the to-do list. Sadly, preparing for this class was the next thing on the to-do list. The ironies abound...

This weeks study falls into three parts.

  • v1-3: a continuation of chapter 3 and the Preacher's lament on the harshness of life.
  • v4-8: the 'rat race'.
  • v9-end (and into ch 5): some comments in praise of other people and living with other people. And some snippets of what might be called 'proverbs'.

Questions for discussion

  1. Read v1-3, the Preacher's attack on oppression. Our reaction to the injustice of oppression seems almost visceral - it's one of those human responses, like a fear of falling or a fear of loud noises, that cuts right through our critical faculties and hits us somewhere deep inside. "It's just not fair".
    • Try defining 'oppression'. Is it related to 'injustice'? Why does oppression and injustice upset us so much?
    • Why do we have such a visceral response to injustice? Is that God's response, too?
    • Read the parable of the workers in the vineyard, told by Christ in Matthew 20. Where is the justice in that story?
    • Does that parable tell us that there might be something more important than justice? If so, what is that thing?
  2. Gibson starts this chapter with a quote from John Steinbeck:
    When a man comes to die, no matter what his talents and influence and genius, if he dies unloved his life must be a failure to him and his dying a cold horror.
    Do you agree with Steinbeck?
  3. Gibson (p65) says:

    So just stop and reflect: whom do you spend most of your time thinking about?

    The Preacher in Ecclesiastes takes it for granted that it's you. People fill their thoughts and plans with themselves, as they constantly work out how to navigate the world in a way that will give meaning and happiness.

    And, says the Preacher, that is the very source of our pain.

    Gibson makes a strong case that the centre section of this week's study is actually one of the main points of the entire book - stop living for yourself and live for others. Do you think he's right?

Resources:

'Two Monkeys Were Paid Unequally', a video clip from Frans de Waal's TED talk.


Week 7 ~ Notes for Dec 19th

'Living a Life Less Upwardly Mobile' #2

Steve Logan

Background

Read Eccl 4 and Gibson, Chapter 4, and last week's notes.

The discussion on the first four verses of Ecclesiastes 4 took up all of our 90 mins last week. So, we shall continue the study, looking at the two sections we didn't cover last week.

  • v4-8: the 'rat race'.
  • v9-end (and into ch 5): some comments in praise of other people and living with other people. And some snippets of what might be called 'proverbs'.

Questions for discussion

  1. Gibson starts this chapter with a quote from John Steinbeck:
    When a man comes to die, no matter what his talents and influence and genius, if he dies unloved his life must be a failure to him and his dying a cold horror.
    Do you agree with Steinbeck?
  2. Gibson (p65) says:

    So just stop and reflect: whom do you spend most of your time thinking about?

    The Preacher in Ecclesiastes takes it for granted that it's you. People fill their thoughts and plans with themselves, as they constantly work out how to navigate the world in a way that will give meaning and happiness.

    And, says the Preacher, that is the very source of our pain.

    Gibson makes a strong case that the centre section of this week's study is actually one of the main points of the entire book - stop living for yourself and live for others. Do you think he's right?

Week 8 ~ Notes for Dec 26th

'Proverbs of Qohelet'

Mike Lewis

Background

Assuming you can still move after all that figgy pudding...

Please read Ecclesiates 4:13 - 5:12; Proverbs 1:1-7 and Gibson chapter 5.

Resources:

Mike's notes for this discussion.


Week 9 ~ Notes for Jan 2nd

'Proverbs of Qohelet' continued

Andrew Gebbie

Background

Last week we began to discuss a number of topics, and it was suggested that we needed to give some additional thought to these. The questions listed below will hopefully provide the opportunity to expand our thinking in these areas.

Listening and Vows (Eccl 5:1-7)

Questions on Listening:

  • When the Preacher enjoins the worshippers at the house of God to listen: what sort of listening was possible?
  • Why does he talk about the sacrifice of fools?
  • Can we find other instructions in scripture that present similar views?
  • When we go to church today, how can we go with a listening ear?
  • What opportunities for listening do we have, and how can we effectively use them?

Questions on Vows:

  • What do the words in verse 6 imply? "Do not protest to the temple messenger, 'My vow was a mistake'"
  • Are vows to God being discouraged?
  • What did Christ say about vows?
  • Should we ever make vows today?
  • Is it possible to be a Christian without some vows?

Oppression and Wealth (Eccl 5:8-11)

  • Last week we discovered that the ambiguity of the original language in Verse 9 makes it difficult to determine the exact meaning: Is the King part of the problem of oppression, or does he provide the stability to ensure that there is not anarchy?
  • Have any other forms of government ever solved the problem of the oppression of the poor?
  • Have there been attempts to solve the problem that have ended in disaster?
  • Does the Bible support the oppression?
  • Should God's followers be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution?
  • Have any of you ever been part of some solution to the oppression of others?
I hope the above questions will help to provide some productive discussion on Saturday.


Week 10 ~ Notes for Jan 9th

Learning to Love the Limitations of Life

Steve Logan

Background

Read Ecclesiastes chapter 7 and Gibson chapter 6. Gibson seems to miss out Eccl 6, and, as it seems to reiterate the thoughts of previous chapters, we shall do likewise.

Questions for discussion

Questions from Gibson:

  • Why do we find it so difficult to love the fact that life has limitations?
  • When was the last time you went to a funeral? How did you feel? What can you learn from that?
  • Gibson argues that death is a teacher with an invitation. Explain in your own words what that means.
  • Anger, impatience, greed, nostalgia - what impact should death have on each of these in our lives?
  • Which of these things - anger, impatience, greed, nostalgia - do you need to ask God to help you deal with more wisely?


Week 11 ~ Notes for Jan 16th

The Value of Wisdom as we try to Make Sense of Life

Mike Lewis

Background

Read Proverbs 8:1-12, Ecclesiastes 7:7-25 and Gibson pages 100-104.

Questions for discussion

  • What is the relationship between Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding and Instruction?
  • What are the dangers of money (vs 7), impatience (vs 8), anger (vs 9), gossip (vs 21), and nostalgia (vs 10) - particularly with respect to our relationship with God?
  • What truths do you see in vs 14?
  • How do you apply vs 16-17 to yourself?
  • Note 7:23-25: How much and how often have you stood back and tried to make sense of life? What was the result?

Resources:


Week 12 ~ Notes for Jan 23rd

From Death to Depth

Andrew Gebbie

Background

Read Gibson chapter 7 and Eccl 7:26 to Eccl 9:12. In this chapter Gibson begins to pull the purpose of Ecclesiastes together.

Basic Business

How important is it realize that many scriptures, written over many millennia, come with cultural baggage that may be irrelevant in our age?

  • Two weeks ago, Steve P commented that he liked Eccl 7:1, "a good name is better than perfume", but was revolted by the derogatory statement in Eccl 7:28 that "he could not find one upright woman among them all".
  • In Eccl 8: 2-6 Qohelet affirms the doctrine of the Divine Right of Kings.

Most of modern Christianity would universally reject the Divine Right of Kings. Why then do we still struggle with the issue of women, their talents and leadership abilities in the modern church?

Question: Are the commonly used translations accurate or misleading?

Meaningless and Pointless are incredibly negative words, but appropriate if you believe that the writer was suffering from depression. Do they make sense on a consistent basis throughout the book?

Vanity makes sense in the first part of the book where the writer is celebrating his self-indulgent approach to life, only to discover its utter bankruptcy. Does it run out of purpose in the latter sections?

Does the writer not define the word for us?

  • Eccl 3:9-12. God has given us a desire to discover the joys of eternity, but leaves us with the current uncertainties of life, and the inability to understand what lies beyond.
  • Eccl 8:16-17. We can search all we want and plunge the depths of wisdom, but we will still be scratching our heads in frustration. Even the mightiest of intellects and the greatest of wisdom cannot penetrate what the Apostle Paul called the "glass darkly".

Question: What other alternative words or phrases could be used that consistently make sense throughout the book?

We all desire that certain statements of the Bible be VERBALLY INSPIRED. This is particularly true when it comes to texts interpreted to mean that we can get God to give us what we want.

The Prosperity Gospel, Healing for the asking, Escaping the Time of Tribulation, and many other questionable concepts are all dependent on the idea that God can be guaranteed to come through for us, just for asking. We expect that a God of Love should rush to the help of the hurting.

But when God doesn't we end up questioning God's Love or God's Power, or worse still go on a guilt trip about our own lack of faith - and there are lots of other Christian believers who will push us in that direction rather than accept that their doctrinal premise could be wrong.

God does still perform miracles. He does still answer prayers for healing. Throughout my life as a pastor and hospice chaplain I have witnessed more of God's power in people than I could ever tell. Above all, I have witnessed the spirit of God provide love and faith beyond measure to those who have walked into the shadow of death, with a peace that passes all understanding.

I recently noticed a consistent pattern in the gospel of Luke, that had never consciously struck me before. In every key section of his Gospel there is what I can only describe as a crunch line, or key statement that puts everything he has just written into a meaningful context. Luke 11: 9-13 is the passage most appropriate to today's discussion.

Ask and it shall be given unto you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened unto you.
Enough to fill our heart's desires. We could control God and make him subservient to our every wish. The crunch line is what Jesus wants us to pray for. Verse 13:
how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him.

Chapter 7 of Gibson ‘From Death to Depth' is an important focal point

I would encourage you to read it. There is nothing I would add or take away.

  • We have no control over the events of our lives.
  • The rich and poor, wise and foolish, believers in God and infidels, good and bad people, righteous and wicked are all subject to the same fundamental realities of life.
  • We are all subject to the normal outcomes, of pestilences and pandemics, earthquakes and hurricanes, wars and violence, times of famine and times of plenty.
  • It sometimes looks as if God lets those love him die or be broken, while the wicked seem to prosper.
  • In reality, we all enjoy the same blessings and face the same disasters. We are all subject to the laws of chance.
  • We will all die, and our time 'under the sun' will be over. And there is nothing we can do about it.

BUT, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT BUT!

  • 'God has set Eternity in the human heart, and has always wanted the happiness of mankind. He has PLANNED FOR IT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CREATION.
  • God has always had a way of solving the human dilemma of SIN. Jesus is 'the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world'.
  • Jesus was the one who prayed with human fear 'Father take this cup from me' but with commitment to his task 'nevertheless, not my will but thine be done'.
  • At Calvary he paid the price for ALL HUMAN SIN: PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE.
  • But God has expectations for those who would claim the prize.
  • 'You must love the Lord thy God... and your neighbour as yourself'.
  • 'If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness'.
  • Everything will be brought to Judgment.
  • ETERNITY IS REAL, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED.
  • BUT DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE.


Week 13 ~ Notes for Jan 30th

Accepting Uncertainty, Contentment While Waiting, Part #1

Marc Walker

Background

Read Ecclesiastes chapters 9-11 and Gibson chapter 8.

Questions for discussion

Eccl 11:5 "You do not know the work of God, who makes everything".

On page 121 Gibson states "Once we realise there are certain things we will never know, and once we realise we should stop trying to know them, it changes the way we think about the things we can know".

Not only does the above apply to the uncertainties of life but it also applies to our understanding of God and the Bible.

Prior to class please make a list of the following things re your understanding of God and what he expects of us as humans (this can include your beliefs of the Bible, your doctrinal beliefs and any and all matters of faith).

  1. List the things you can be certain of (the things you believe you can know).
  2. List some of things you think/believe but with some uncertainty.
  3. List some of the things you cannot know.

Week 14 ~ Notes for Feb 6th

Accepting Uncertainty, Contentment While Waiting, Part #2

Marc Walker

Background

Read Ecclesiastes chapters 9-11 and Gibson chapter 8.

We all believe that the Bible was inspired by God. But to what extent? For this coming lesson we will continue on from where we left off last week in our study of Ecclesiastes 9-11, with the two questions I left for you to ponder:

  • Would it be fair to suggest that the perspectives and understanding of God held by the Biblical writers influenced what they wrote?
  • Is it the overall message of the Bible that was inspired or every single text?

Discussion

  • We will approach the topic of Biblical inspiration, relevant not only to Ecclesiaties but to the whole Bible. We will discuss the level of inspiration given to the Biblical writers and the implications of such inspiration (for example, the effect certain texts have on the understanding of free will).
  • How does the level of inspiration we ascribe to the Bible impact upon our beliefs and our understanding of God?
  • Is appropriate for us to avoid certain texts which make us uncomfortable because they do not fit in with our beliefs and our perception of God?
  • If the Biblical writers were inspired by God, then what about the compilers and translators? Did they have the same level of inspiration as the Biblical writers? What are the implications of this?
  • What does Ecclesiastes say about God's involvement in our lives today and the level of control God has over the world?
All that plus, no doubt, many other interesting topics - eventually culminating in the Preacher's final flirtation with the 'under the sun' premise in chapter 11, which I believe to be the perfect conclusion to the entire book of Ecclesiates.

Resources

'Inspiration': a useful set of definitions from bible.org.


Week 15 ~ Notes for Feb 13th

Enjoy! Be Happy! Take Pleasure! But Remember...

Mike Lewis

Background

Please read these seven** sections from Ecclesiastes and note their general format and message:

  1. 2:1-23, then 24
  2. 3:9-13, 19-20, 22
  3. 5:9-18
  4. 6:1-12
  5. 7:1-13, 16-18
  6. 8:14-15
  7. 9:1-2, 7-10
(** seven of them – the perfect number!)

Discussion

  • What does Qohelet report that he learned in 2:1-2?
  • How does this change from 2:24 to the end of the book?
  • Why/how do you think this change occurred?
  • In just a single sentence, how would you summarise Qohelet's overall advice?
  • Do you think this is good advice? Why/why not?
  • How should we square Qohelet's advice with Jesus' parable in Luke 12:16-21?
  • How should we square Qohelet's advice with Jesus' behaviour as recorded in Matthew 11:18-19 and John 2:1-11 and Paul's statement in 1 Cor 10:31-33?
  • What new idea comes in 5:18?
  • What does he mean by his advice in 7:16-17?
  • Is this dangerous advice? Why?
  • In the light of all this, how should we follow Qohelet's advice as C21 Christians?

Resources

Slides from the presentation.


Week 16 ~ Notes for Feb 20th

Qohelet on getting old

Mike Lewis

Background

Read
  • Ecclesiastes 9:7–10, 11:7–12:8
  • Gibson chapter 9 and (if available) Kidson pp 100–104
  • Also read Ecclesiastes 3:2, 3:20-21; 7:1, 7:16-17; 9:5, 9:10

Discussion

This week's ice-breaker: What is the most evil thing you can think of?

How does a reading of 12:1-8 make you feel? Be honest!

  • For the under 50s: How do you feel about getting "old"? How are you preparing for old age?
  • For the over 50s: How does being over 50 feel? How are you coping with being old?

Have you talked with family and friends about planning for and facing death? Why / why not?

From the readings listed above what is Qohelet's view of an afterlife? Note these 63 refs to "Sheol" in the Old Testament.

Why do you think the "Christian" understanding of life after death comes so late in the history of God's people (Dan 12:2). Note that Job refers to Sheol 7 times and alludes to a resurrection just once.

Given the various meanings of the Hebrew term traditionally translated as "vanity" that have been discussed ( breath, vapour, worthless, futile, ephemeral, fleeting, absurd, senseless, irrational, a violation of reason, incomprehensible) , which of these do you think Qohelet has in mind in his final "vanity of vanities" statement in 12:8?

  • (How) has this week's study changed your thoughts and feelings about getting old?
  • Are you looking forward to dying? Why / why not?
  • What positive thing(s) – if any – can you say about death?

Given that nobody knows when they might die, here are 6 practical suggestions:

  • ALWAYS carry some form of ID with you.
  • Make your will.
  • Appoint appropriate persons to hold Power of Welfare and Financial Attorney.
  • Talk freely and openly with family and friends about dying and death.
  • Eat, drink, enjoy life and thank God for His Gift of Life while it yet remains.
  • Be at peace with God.

Resources


Week 17 ~ Notes for Feb 27th

Getting to the point...

Steve Logan

Background

Read Ecclesiastes chapter 12:9-14 and Gibson chapter 10.

Ecclesiastes isn't a long book, to be precise it has 5579 words in the King James Version. A mere fraction of, say, Jeremiah (at 42654 words). And yet...

Maybe that is part of the book's appeal. There's no dense Hebrew poetry to contend with. You don't need to be well informed on the norms of Old Testament prose. Rather, Qohelet is pithy. Short and sharp is his preferred route - straight to the heart and the mind, without all that flowery stuff. And, I'd wager that there are more aphorisms that have made it into colloquial English in this one short book than in most of its peers.

It's taken us 17 weeks of study to cover those five and a half thousand words. So, what do we take away? What is it that Qohelet is trying to tell us?

Here are Qohelet's parting words:

Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.

The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails — given by one shepherd. Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.

Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

Discussion

  • What is your view now of Ecclesiastes? Has it altered now that we've reached the end?
  • Gibson's leading quote in his last chapter is from Kafka: "A book must be an axe for the frozen sea inside us." Is Ecclesiastes such an axe? Do you feel that Qohelet has broken through your internal 'frozen sea'?
  • Gibson (p152) writes "Words change things" and gives the example of a wedding service. "Words of promise spoken in a wedding ceremony are not describing marriage, or commenting on it; they are creating it. Something exists after their words have been spoke that did not exist beforehand... It is because of what words do that we have the book of Ecclesiastes". Do you find the words of Ecclesiastes powerful in a way that, say, the words of Habakkuk aren't?
  • What do you make of Qohelet's "conclusion of the matter" in v13-14? Some see this as a throw away comment; a shrug of the shoulders, an "oh well, I can't think of anything else so let's go for this" statement - almost an admission of defeat. Others see these verses as the culmination of everything that goes before; everything is meaningless apart from this, and, unlike the analyses everywhere else in the book, Qohelet here makes no attempt to elaborate on these simple words. What do you think?
  • Would it make any difference to the impact of Ecclesiastes if v9-14 were not there? Some suggest that these verses were bolted on at a later date to make the book more acceptable. Does it matter?

Some commentators consider that Ecclesiastes is composed of three distinct voices. The first belongs to Qohelet as the prophet, the "true voice of wisdom" which speaks in the first person, recounting wisdom through his own experience. The second voice belongs to Qohelet as the king of Jerusalem, who is more didactic and thus speaks primarily in second-person imperative statements. The third voice is that of the epilogist, who speaks proverbially in the third person. The epilogist is most identified seen in the book's first and final verses. Ecclesiastes could then be read as a dialogue between these voices.

  • Do we see a progression throughout the book? Is Qohelet growing and developing his ideas as he writes? If so, how seriously should we then take his earlier pronouncements?
  • Is an inspired book, a part of the canon of Scripture, allowed to express such a 'progression'? If yes, then how can we tell which parts of the inspired progression we should take as example and instruction?
  • Following on from earlier VV discussions on 'inspiration' and from the previous question - do we need to work harder on extracting meaning from Scripture, rather than just taking a text from somewhere (for example Ecclesiastes 4:2-3) and making that a rule? Where do we draw the line in ignoring a specific command if that command seems to be counter to the broader theme of a book?

Lastly, as we wind up this discussion, is Qohelet telling us in v12 "Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body" that we need to stop this discussion after 17 weeks and get on with it?!

Kidner (p106) quotes from CS Lewis's book 'The Great Divorce' the story of a life long 'searcher' (a member of the VV, perhaps?) who arrives at the Pearly Gates to be told that his search is now over for "I bring you to the land not of questions but of answers, and you shall see the face of God". But our searcher wants to keep on searching. "For me there is no such thing as a final answer!" he says, and so he makes his apologies and hurries off "to his discussion group in hell"!

Discuss!